March 7th 15, 07:49 PM
On Monday, June 19, 2000 at 9:00:00 AM UTC+2, Robert Ehrlich wrote:
> Jan Lustrup wrote:
> >
> > I will try to find out some more this summer...I whant to see the sigte with my
> > own eyes and read the plage there...so I will keep everyone informed about it..
> >
> > Jan
> >
> > willem wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everybody!
> > > I'm very interested in dates of pioneer-flights( tryouts).
> > > I have a dbase of the years -4000 - 1903.
> > > The name Berentsen was missing, but I have found Narvestad in 1812 (?), a
> > > flight made with wings...over 150 meters.
> > > Now I want to know if it was 1812 or 1825?
> > > Thanks for more information.
> In a book that I am owning, "Histoire du vol à voile français" (i.e History of french
> gliding) by Reginald & Anne Jouhaud, a lot of early precursors are mentionned, although
> you may argue about the fact that some attempts may or not be regarded as flights. As the
> title says, they only mention french attempts:
>
> In 1580, a man whose name is now unknown tries to fly above the river Seine starting
> from tower "Tour de Nesle". He doesn't succeed, but doesn't kill himself.
>
> In 1604 an Italian engineer named Bolori, living in Troyes, succeed in gliding from
> a tower, but kills himself.
>
> In 1660 a man named Allard is severly injured after a flight attempt.
>
> In 1678 a man named Besnier is said to have been flying using 4 wings tied to his
> arms and legs. Later he sold some wings to other people who are said to succeed in
> using them.
>
> In 1742 Jean-François Boyuin de Beneto, marquis de Bacqueville build a flying machine
> about which very few is known, probably made from 4 wings tied to arms and legs.
> Starting from his house near the river Seine, he succeed in a 200m glide ending with a
> crash landing and a broken leg.
>
> In 1806 Guillaume Resnier de Goué succeed in a glide of 300m starting from a 40m high
> tower at Angoulême, ending with a rough landing and a broken leg.
>
> In 1856 Jean-Marie Le Bris build a glider looking like a big bird made of wood and
> fabric, launches pulled by a running donkey his glider held on a carriage.. After take
> off the tow rope catches the donkey's driver, then both land with a ground loop that
> causes damage to a wing.
>
> As the span of this glider was 15m, it is probably the first standard class glider of
> the world, probably also the first flight with 2 persons, although it can hardly qualify
> as a 2-seater. A replica of this aircraft was recently built and I saw it at the last
> air fair in Le Bourget, as well as on an exhibition that was held in the following summer
> on the Champs Elysées for celebrating the 100 years of existence of the Aéro Club de
> France.
>
> A very long paragraph in the book is then devoted to Louis-Pierre Mouillard, who succeeded
> in his first flight in 1864 with a glider of 13kg and a wing area of 12m². Later Chanute
> heard about his work, was writing to him, claimed a common patent with him and credited
> him for the idea of wing twisting for controlling bank. At the first historical sailplane
> meeting in France, held at Combegrasse in 1922, the local field was renamend "camp
> Mouillard" in remembering of him.
>
> Of course everything above, except my own seeing of the replica of the glider of Le Bris,
> is taken from the book and I can't assert anything about the reliability of the facts
> related.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4op7zrh7wsrnbtj/IMG_2841.JPG?dl=0
> Jan Lustrup wrote:
> >
> > I will try to find out some more this summer...I whant to see the sigte with my
> > own eyes and read the plage there...so I will keep everyone informed about it..
> >
> > Jan
> >
> > willem wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everybody!
> > > I'm very interested in dates of pioneer-flights( tryouts).
> > > I have a dbase of the years -4000 - 1903.
> > > The name Berentsen was missing, but I have found Narvestad in 1812 (?), a
> > > flight made with wings...over 150 meters.
> > > Now I want to know if it was 1812 or 1825?
> > > Thanks for more information.
> In a book that I am owning, "Histoire du vol à voile français" (i.e History of french
> gliding) by Reginald & Anne Jouhaud, a lot of early precursors are mentionned, although
> you may argue about the fact that some attempts may or not be regarded as flights. As the
> title says, they only mention french attempts:
>
> In 1580, a man whose name is now unknown tries to fly above the river Seine starting
> from tower "Tour de Nesle". He doesn't succeed, but doesn't kill himself.
>
> In 1604 an Italian engineer named Bolori, living in Troyes, succeed in gliding from
> a tower, but kills himself.
>
> In 1660 a man named Allard is severly injured after a flight attempt.
>
> In 1678 a man named Besnier is said to have been flying using 4 wings tied to his
> arms and legs. Later he sold some wings to other people who are said to succeed in
> using them.
>
> In 1742 Jean-François Boyuin de Beneto, marquis de Bacqueville build a flying machine
> about which very few is known, probably made from 4 wings tied to arms and legs.
> Starting from his house near the river Seine, he succeed in a 200m glide ending with a
> crash landing and a broken leg.
>
> In 1806 Guillaume Resnier de Goué succeed in a glide of 300m starting from a 40m high
> tower at Angoulême, ending with a rough landing and a broken leg.
>
> In 1856 Jean-Marie Le Bris build a glider looking like a big bird made of wood and
> fabric, launches pulled by a running donkey his glider held on a carriage.. After take
> off the tow rope catches the donkey's driver, then both land with a ground loop that
> causes damage to a wing.
>
> As the span of this glider was 15m, it is probably the first standard class glider of
> the world, probably also the first flight with 2 persons, although it can hardly qualify
> as a 2-seater. A replica of this aircraft was recently built and I saw it at the last
> air fair in Le Bourget, as well as on an exhibition that was held in the following summer
> on the Champs Elysées for celebrating the 100 years of existence of the Aéro Club de
> France.
>
> A very long paragraph in the book is then devoted to Louis-Pierre Mouillard, who succeeded
> in his first flight in 1864 with a glider of 13kg and a wing area of 12m². Later Chanute
> heard about his work, was writing to him, claimed a common patent with him and credited
> him for the idea of wing twisting for controlling bank. At the first historical sailplane
> meeting in France, held at Combegrasse in 1922, the local field was renamend "camp
> Mouillard" in remembering of him.
>
> Of course everything above, except my own seeing of the replica of the glider of Le Bris,
> is taken from the book and I can't assert anything about the reliability of the facts
> related.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4op7zrh7wsrnbtj/IMG_2841.JPG?dl=0